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	<title>Comments on: FIM to put 2-strokes on even footing in 2010</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.muddywatersmx.net/2008/07/10/fim-to-put-2-strokes-on-even-footing-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi terry,

Also, I&#039;ve been desperately trying to get directly in touch with you, but all contact links from sites associated with you route through 2idi.com. I understand your desire to protect your email address. Hopefully that will encourage you to change your site to protect my email address (and anyone else registered to comment).

The code used on this site exposes the email address of the registered commenters. In the item in the right-hand margin that says &quot;Logged in as X&quot;, the name inserted as &quot;X&quot; is a direct email link to the address used when registering to comment. That means that any email harvester crawling this site will be able to collect my email address.

Can you confirm or deny and/or fix?

Thanks,

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi terry,</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve been desperately trying to get directly in touch with you, but all contact links from sites associated with you route through 2idi.com. I understand your desire to protect your email address. Hopefully that will encourage you to change your site to protect my email address (and anyone else registered to comment).</p>
<p>The code used on this site exposes the email address of the registered commenters. In the item in the right-hand margin that says &#8220;Logged in as X&#8221;, the name inserted as &#8220;X&#8221; is a direct email link to the address used when registering to comment. That means that any email harvester crawling this site will be able to collect my email address.</p>
<p>Can you confirm or deny and/or fix?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.muddywatersmx.net/2008/07/10/fim-to-put-2-strokes-on-even-footing-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No confirmation on the 350 MX1 limit yet, just rumors surrounding the fact that a revised limit is still in discussion.

I&#039;m just looking for consistency. If four-strokes need more displacement to be competitive with two-strokes, fine, but power is power. The same displacement differences should apply regardless of environment. A given engine produces the same power on dirt as it does on asphalt. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No confirmation on the 350 MX1 limit yet, just rumors surrounding the fact that a revised limit is still in discussion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just looking for consistency. If four-strokes need more displacement to be competitive with two-strokes, fine, but power is power. The same displacement differences should apply regardless of environment. A given engine produces the same power on dirt as it does on asphalt. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Frazier</title>
		<link>http://www.muddywatersmx.net/2008/07/10/fim-to-put-2-strokes-on-even-footing-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Frazier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New MuddyWatersMX reader Chris Wilson recently asked the following question:

    The code used on this site exposes the email address of the registered commenters. In the item in the right-hand margin that says &quot;Logged in as X&quot;, the name inserted as &quot;X&quot; is a direct email link to the address used when registering to comment. That means that any email harvester crawling this site will be able to collect my email address.

    Can you confirm or deny and/or fix?

I thought this was a good opportunity to explain how the system works for everyone. First, let me put your mind at ease. The content system used for MuddyWatersMX has been around a long time and its privacy features are quite robust.

The link you see in the right-hand column that says, &quot;Logged in as YourNameHere&quot; is only seen by you - and only when you are logged in. It&#039;s just a link to your account settings, which are tracked by your e-mail address. No one else can see it. And no harvester can get to it. If you logoff the site you will see that your name and account info disappear.

The only place that your e-mail address is ever exposed — and this is exactly the same as Yahoo! and Google Groups e-mail lists — is in the FROM: address when your posts go out to the MuddyWatersMX mail list.

But we even give you control over that. The MuddyWatersMX system provides a completely anonymized FROM: address in outgoing list mails for any registered user who wants it. You can change this setting in your preferences.

I hope this clears up any confusion and thanks to Chris for prompting me to write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New MuddyWatersMX reader Chris Wilson recently asked the following question:</p>
<p>    The code used on this site exposes the email address of the registered commenters. In the item in the right-hand margin that says &#8220;Logged in as X&#8221;, the name inserted as &#8220;X&#8221; is a direct email link to the address used when registering to comment. That means that any email harvester crawling this site will be able to collect my email address.</p>
<p>    Can you confirm or deny and/or fix?</p>
<p>I thought this was a good opportunity to explain how the system works for everyone. First, let me put your mind at ease. The content system used for MuddyWatersMX has been around a long time and its privacy features are quite robust.</p>
<p>The link you see in the right-hand column that says, &#8220;Logged in as YourNameHere&#8221; is only seen by you &#8211; and only when you are logged in. It&#8217;s just a link to your account settings, which are tracked by your e-mail address. No one else can see it. And no harvester can get to it. If you logoff the site you will see that your name and account info disappear.</p>
<p>The only place that your e-mail address is ever exposed — and this is exactly the same as Yahoo! and Google Groups e-mail lists — is in the FROM: address when your posts go out to the MuddyWatersMX mail list.</p>
<p>But we even give you control over that. The MuddyWatersMX system provides a completely anonymized FROM: address in outgoing list mails for any registered user who wants it. You can change this setting in your preferences.</p>
<p>I hope this clears up any confusion and thanks to Chris for prompting me to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Frazier</title>
		<link>http://www.muddywatersmx.net/2008/07/10/fim-to-put-2-strokes-on-even-footing-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Frazier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; So the FIM have decided that the MX1 (old 250) class be
&gt; restricted to 350cc 4-strokes, but the same FIM have
&gt; also decided that the replacement class for 250GP road
&gt; racing should be 600cc 4-strokes?

Chris,

Don&#039;t look here for any explanation of the FIM&#039;s logic. I have no idea why they would kill the 250GP class. I do know that FIM decisions have input from other groups - just like happens here. In MX it&#039;s Youthstream plus the Motorcycle Sport Manufacturers Assn. These groups made this public statement recently: &quot;The FIM, Youthstream and MSMA are in favour to keep Motocross as a basic sport, easy affordable for young riders with low maintenance costs.&quot; Maybe DORNA doesn&#039;t feel that way.

As for the 350cc MX1 limit... Where have you seen that confirmed? It&#039;s not on the FIM site, and I would expect a formal announcement to be there if the rule were final. I suspect they&#039;ll leave it at 450cc, since MX3 is now multi-cylinder. But maybe not. People seem to like the 450Fs just fine. It&#039;s just that forcing riders from 85cc bikes onto 250Fs was dangerously stupid (kinda like what seems to be happening in road race now.)

As for evening the playing field on displacement? I favor making it heads up. The entire 4-stroke revolution was profit-driven marketing bullshit shoved down out throats by Honda and Kawasaki. Let them continue to run their 13,000 rpm single-cylinder F1 motors. Let them do whatever they want. Let&#039;s give them the opportunity to actually prove that their motors are really superior in every way instead of just write press releases about it.

If it turns out that in a year or two modern two-strokes are kicking their ass again I&#039;m sure there will be rules revisions. Nothing lasts forever.

Thanks for writing. How did you find the site?

- twf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> So the FIM have decided that the MX1 (old 250) class be<br />
> restricted to 350cc 4-strokes, but the same FIM have<br />
> also decided that the replacement class for 250GP road<br />
> racing should be 600cc 4-strokes?</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t look here for any explanation of the FIM&#8217;s logic. I have no idea why they would kill the 250GP class. I do know that FIM decisions have input from other groups &#8211; just like happens here. In MX it&#8217;s Youthstream plus the Motorcycle Sport Manufacturers Assn. These groups made this public statement recently: &#8220;The FIM, Youthstream and MSMA are in favour to keep Motocross as a basic sport, easy affordable for young riders with low maintenance costs.&#8221; Maybe DORNA doesn&#8217;t feel that way.</p>
<p>As for the 350cc MX1 limit&#8230; Where have you seen that confirmed? It&#8217;s not on the FIM site, and I would expect a formal announcement to be there if the rule were final. I suspect they&#8217;ll leave it at 450cc, since MX3 is now multi-cylinder. But maybe not. People seem to like the 450Fs just fine. It&#8217;s just that forcing riders from 85cc bikes onto 250Fs was dangerously stupid (kinda like what seems to be happening in road race now.)</p>
<p>As for evening the playing field on displacement? I favor making it heads up. The entire 4-stroke revolution was profit-driven marketing bullshit shoved down out throats by Honda and Kawasaki. Let them continue to run their 13,000 rpm single-cylinder F1 motors. Let them do whatever they want. Let&#8217;s give them the opportunity to actually prove that their motors are really superior in every way instead of just write press releases about it.</p>
<p>If it turns out that in a year or two modern two-strokes are kicking their ass again I&#8217;m sure there will be rules revisions. Nothing lasts forever.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing. How did you find the site?</p>
<p>- twf</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.muddywatersmx.net/2008/07/10/fim-to-put-2-strokes-on-even-footing-in-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok,

So the FIM have decided that the MX1 (old 250) class be restricted to 350cc 4-strokes, but the same FIM have also decided that the replacement class for 250GP road racing should be 600cc 4-strokes?

Don&#039;t get it.

Also, what about the 2-stroke equivalent/limit for the MX2 class? They seem to be allowing up to 250cc 2-strokes in MX2 (which I think is a bit too much).

Are they saying that the environment that bikes are in makes that much difference in 2-stroke vs 4-stroke equivalency?

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok,</p>
<p>So the FIM have decided that the MX1 (old 250) class be restricted to 350cc 4-strokes, but the same FIM have also decided that the replacement class for 250GP road racing should be 600cc 4-strokes?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>Also, what about the 2-stroke equivalent/limit for the MX2 class? They seem to be allowing up to 250cc 2-strokes in MX2 (which I think is a bit too much).</p>
<p>Are they saying that the environment that bikes are in makes that much difference in 2-stroke vs 4-stroke equivalency?</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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